posted 11-24-2004 11:57 AM            

Because I have been using a CQ format and was going to ask the best set up with a list of well worded questions for the R&I. Frankly I find that there are simply too many Relevant Questions to make the CQ more than just a measure to see if they have any Psych set towards the CQ's.

I guess it is a matter of preference, but I am hoping to give the R&I a shot.

My Pre-emp test right now is:

I R R C R R C R R C R R

and I'm finding that they hit the first relevant regardless of what the question is. Does anyone use some sort of a SAC Relevant in the Pre-emp test?

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Ralph Hilliard
PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator
http://www.polygraphplace.com

posted 11-24-2004 12:36 PM         

As a side note, I was at the DODPI Senior Examiner Course a couple of months ago. It was suggested to use situational bars on comparisons instead of time bars and then put time bars on the irrelevants. Those attempting countermeasures will hit the irrelevants, and who cares? I have had two examinees hit the IR's so far. Just for info.

posted 11-24-2004 01:09 PM            

Hey I really like that idea of putting the time bars on the IR's. Would you mind posting a sample of your test format here. I don't think I have the LEPET test in my paperwork...actually it is probably there but more work to go digging than if you post the order here. I'd be interested in seeing that as well as seeing the 'situational' bars you mention in that format.

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Ralph Hilliard
PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator
http://www.polygraphplace.com

posted 11-24-2004 02:07 PM         

Here is my LEPET series #1 format:

1I Before (date), did you where shoes?

2SR Regarding your past, do you intend to answer each of my quesitons truthfully?

3C Are you the type of person who would lie to cover for someone?

4R Have you ever committed any serous crime?

5C Are you the kind of person who would betray a member of your family?

6I Before (date) did you ever drive a car?

7R Are you intentionally withholding and information about your involvement with illegal drugs?

8C Are you the type of person who would lie to stay out of trouble?

9R Are you intentionally falsifying or omitting any information on your applicaton forms?

10C Are you the type of person who would blamed someone else for something you did?

11R Have you committed more thefts that what you have told me?

C12 Would you lie to a supervisor for any reason, to save your job?
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All relevants scored to the stronger comparison.

Comparisons sound like relevants by design, but are situationally barred and broader( most are hypothetical). For LE jobs, it is easy to sell the comparisons as relevants. The examinee is told that there are three types types of questions. 1. Questions we know you are telling the truth on. 2. Verification quesitons about the info. you put on the application forms. 3. Suitability questions: "Questions the Chief wants to know about you. Do you have the character and integrity to be an officer here? If you can't answer these with a yes, we may have a problem". They always answer yes.

If you have any questions, feel free to email me: james.webb@ci.yuma.az.us

Please don't let it get out about time barring IR's!!!

posted 11-29-2004 06:12 AM            

FYI, the new ASTM standard on screening exams is out, and it limits a screening exam to five relevant questions. Personally, I use two R/I tests, and I limit each one to three RQs. I repeat some of the questions in each chart, so it only takes me four charts to make three presentaions of each RQ. (National Polygraph Consultants published a cheat sheet of how to run the test using the DoDPI rules, and I follow that. Don Krapohl (of NPC and DoDPI) also taught it at a seminar.)

We used to run an eight or nine RQ R/I test, which I thought was too easy a test for a liar to make it through. (The more questions you have, the easier it becomes. The feds limit it to five because that is the amount of error they are willing to tolerate.) Since running the shorter test, I have re-tested some people tested with the longer format, and the results were interesting, to say the least: serious drug dealing and a sex "issue" (both pre-dating the first tests come to mind without giving it much thought.

Now, I can't say for sure if it was the shorter format or some other variable(s) that brought these issues to light, but my firm opinion is that is the case.

posted 11-30-2004 02:27 PM            

We use the LEPET and have for over two years now. It seems to be working well for us. Our biggest problem seems to be "no opinion" tests. The percentage is a little to high.

It is my belief that many of the N.O.'s are really S.R.'s. We have about a 50% rate of N.S.R.'s so I don't think that all th N.O.'s are really N.S.R.'s that didn't produce enough score. I hope that makes sense.

You really have to push the comparison's on this test and maybe that is helping some of the untruthful.

We are trying some different things to help fight counter measures. I will fill you in when I get a better idea of how they are working.

Jack

posted 12-01-2004 08:06 AM         

Not a word brother, not a word.